Did he resist arrest? Maybe…but arrest on what charge exactly?
Police taser abuse…& the end of passive resistance
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@rompeligas2234
Firefighter with two State Troopers, Two City Officers, and One County Officer in the family.
Unless you have been tased, you don’t know what it’s like. Taking pleasure in watching people getting tased , shot, maced, or otherwise harmed is the tell tail sign of someone who suffers some sort of mental deficiency.
Fact is the things are used far too often, and when it’s not even needed.
Know it all? Not by a long shot. It’s clear however that I’m far wiser than you.
@bruteinazootsuit
Resisting arrest would be if he was actively trying to get out of the cuffs, was threatening officers, giving false ID, or attacking an officer (which would also be assault). Usually the charge is not used properly, as most think simply squiring is the same as resisting (it’s not).
And even if they did have to ask him multiple times, there is the option of escorting him out without an arrest, and certainly without using a taser.
@bruteinazootsuit
Additionally, the use of tasers are supposed to be reserved to subdue armed/dangerous individuals only, in lieu of a firearm. Not as an “easy button” for suspect control.
Many people fail to realize these things are classified as “less lethal” devices. That means they do have the potential to seriously harm or kill, but are less prone to do so. This is also why they are only to be used in certain situations.
Unfortunately they are misused and abused far too often.
@bruteinazootsuit
And again, that’s a BS charge in this situation. I’d have to look it up, but I would not be surprised if charges were dropped and he was released on his own regog.
Fact is he did not incite a riot. You can not legally arrest and try for a “non crime”.
If however there is a statute that specifically says “attempt” you can arrest, but the evidence here for such a charge is very weak, and I’d imagine it would end up as nolle pros. at worst.
@DaedalEVE He ended up striking a deal with campus police. They agreed to drop criminal charges in exchange for a note of apology. Not only did he write two different notes of apology, but he went on to publically apologize on the Today Show. A clip of his segment can be found by searching video ID 0b5eHcN-Bdc.
@DaedalEVE Oh, and btw, tasers aren’t directly responsible for killing people. The initial charge is about 10,000 volts (but it drops to I think 5,000 when the electrodes actually make contact with the skin) with approximately 3 milliamps of current. Current is what kills, not voltage. However, the average Human can take up to 6 milliamps of current. So it only discharges about half what’s needed to kill. In fact, in all cases where a suspect has died when being tasered, they were able to
trace the cause of death to either the person having a substantial amount of drugs – primarilly methanphetamines (not sure on the spelling) or underlying heart conditions. The tasers themselves were not to blame.
@DaedalEVE You should become a lawyer since you like to argue a lot. I don’t take pleasure at all watching innocent people get hurt like that only the ones that deserve it. And one more thing I know for a fact that you’re not wiser than me at all.
@RadcliffOfCrymod
Wow, that’s more than I would have done.
@RadcliffOfCrymod
There is more too it than that. Women have had pregnancy terminated, teens/children have died… and there was no link to either drugs or heart problems with either.
@rompeligas2234
But that’s exactly why we have trial by jury, in order to decide who deserves it and who doesn’t. Even then people get it wrong. Look at all the people convicted of murder, only to later be proven innocent.
The point is you don’t decide guilt or innocence on the street. And it’s not the job of the police to judge and carry out sentence.
Oh it’s a fact? Then please, enlighten me by presenting your proof. Credible sources only please.
@DaedalEVE If they’re discharging these things on pregnant women, then the policy needs to be revised to require them to use a different means of restraint.
@RadcliffOfCrymod
Surprised you haven’t heard about it before. You should be able to do a search here and on google and get a fair number of results.
And you are absolutely correct, which is the entire point. When tasers were first introduced that were an alternative to using a firearm. IE: You would use the taser instead of a gun, in situation much like those where using a gun would be justified.
As more departments started using them, issues of misuse started to arise.
@DaedalEVE Right, police are not judge, jury, and executioner. Their only job is to investigate crimes and find out who most likely did them. However, the system we use is flawed, and sometimes an innocent man gets put away. Forensics have brought the system a long way though. It’s not a tried and true method, but it hits more often than it misses.
@RadcliffOfCrymod
Now the things are used on whoever, whenever.
@RadcliffOfCrymod
Oh and if you are able to find out what different departmental SOP is, you’ll find that a lot of stuff goes on that is in direct violation of official policy.
the fact there is misconduct and illegal activity isn’t a new thing though. What IS new is how frequent it’s happening, and the overt nature of it all.
The real issue seems to be that people are becoming accustomed to it, it’s causing societal complacency, which perpetuates the issue and allows it to worsen.
@DaedalEVE The policy shouldn’t even be needed really. Most of it is common sense.
@DaedalEVE Sounds like what I’ve heard of the Illuminati and the New World Order. SOP may be associated with them. I will google it and see what I come up with.
@RadcliffOfCrymod
My issue isn’t with agencies trying to fulfill their roll, but the fact that they have a tendency to act beyond their power.
There is a big difference between investigating and/or arresting someone who is suspected of committed a murder, and pulling that person out of a car so 4 officers can assault them before arresting them.
@DaedalEVE That made me laugh. What’s with that anyway? (so many officers subduing one man)
@RadcliffOfCrymod
You are absolutely correct again. However you will find that common sense isn’t common at all. And even with official written policy in place, you’ll find that said policy is often violated… and done so by individuals who are trained to know better.
The main advantage of having policy or SOP is so that you have clearly defined parameters and expectations for conduct/behavior. That way there can be no question as to what is acceptable, and what isn’t.
@RadcliffOfCrymod
I don’t buy into any of that conspiracy BS. Things are just screwed up because people are screwed up, and power can corrupt.
SOP = Standard Operating Procedure. IE: How you respond to a given situation.
@DaedalEVE Oh, DUH!! Sorry bout that, major brain fart. :D
@RadcliffOfCrymod
It’s called “Herd mentality”.
You get it with any group really. You’ll see it more often in the form of ideology. That is to say, people in a group will often adopt the same views and beliefs, even if they did not share those beliefs prior to being part of the group.
There is also a behavioral side to it as well, in which members of a group will behave and act the same way.
@RadcliffOfCrymod
It’s all good.