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@Beamdiddy:
480 U.S. 321 (1987 has to do with taking a camera as evidence, it has to do with recoding serial numbers (“the mere recording of the serial numbers did not constitute a “seizure,””), and that “moving of the equipment” to get the number “was a search”.
@Pafoofnik1The decision was in favor of the D, however the court established the rule that plain view warrantless searches/seizures are allowed if they are supported by probable cause(PC). The hitch is that now PC is determined by the PO right then and there, instead of by a judge as it is in a warrant. The PO admitted that he didn’t have PC to support his search, which is why the court ruled for the D. This decision gave more power to PO’s to get around 4th,5th, and 14th Amendment protections.
@Beamdiddy:
Plain view searches have been legal for some time. But that’s not what I was asking about.
This case has nothing to do the supposed power of an officer to “take a camera as evidence if it is in “plain view””.
@Beamdiddy Well I would have to say I disagree. Until a judge finds me guilty of a crime they cannot deprive me of my property. It is plain and simple and if you say otherwise you are trying to corrupt the system my friend
@ericdahlen In a way your right… They cannot PERMANENTLY deprive you of your stuff (as long as its “legal” stuff), but they can take it from you if its reasonable for them to think that it was used in/for the commission of a crime. For example: they THINK you have a huge grow operation in your house. There gonna come & take you AND your house until otherwise is proven. If its true then you’ve just lost your house. If not, u get it back when there DONE their investigation
@ericdahlen also, what I said here was an explanation of the law. Me stating what the law is, is not “corrupting” the system but actually the reverse; preserving it. If you don’t like what the law says then vote and get your legislator to change it. You have the power to do that.
@Beamdiddy You made a good point for me to use. Say my house is a grow op but the plants im growing are legal but a neighbor thinks it’s pot. I am innocent until proven guilty not the other way around. I know what they have been doing and I believe they have been going against the Constitution. The same as taking a car from someone who is suspected of DUI. The car should not be impounded until after a judge finds the person guilty. And yes we are in the process of restoring just laws here
@Beamdiddy This is where we think diff. I think the way people have bee taught and read the Constitution has been corrupted. We have had so many lawyers twist and bend the laws trying to find and prove loopholes that we have gone away from the original intentions of the Constitution. All I am trying to say is yes we have been interpreting the laws the way you state for far to long. This November will be the start to the restoring of the USA and individual states rights.
@ericdahlen I AGREE WITH YOU!!!! You should look into Supreme Court Justice Scalia’s book titled: A matter of Interpretation. He advocates for originalism,which is the idea that we should interpret the C as it was meant. Here’s an excerpt: “it is the law that [should] governs, not the INTENT of the lawgiver That seems to me that the essence of the famous American ideal set forth in MA constitution: A government of LAWS, not of Men. Men may intend what they will; but it is only law thatbinds us
@ericdahlen Yes, your right. The problem is w/ practicality, how would the state enforce something if they had to prove it before they could act on it? If someone is thought to be drunk driving, what should the police do? IF they are allowed to make a spot decision right then and there, what rule do we make for PO’s to follow? How do we enforce it? What if they’re wrong? Unfortunately, the only way to make this all efficient is to impound, and then req’ the state to PROVE that person guilty
@ericdahlen This also brings up another question… So, there is a suspected bank robber in the bank, (its really just a pissed off guy with a gun on his hip who has a permit for it) should the state be req’d to PROVE him guilty before they go arrest him? Or should they be able to arrest him (infringing a little upon his liberty), and THEN (when we know that everyone is safe and that he was only pissed about forgetting the milk) let him explain? what if it really was robber?
@Beamdiddy well if an officer believes you are DUI they stop you and if you fail their test you get arrested. If you have a way to get your vehicle to a safe place until you get out or you have someone to get it then leave it, if you are on the freeway then it has to be impounded but you can get it back. I have no problem with enforcing the laws, just the taking of private property with a judges consent. The problem is they take the vehicle and try to keep it to sell at auction. I
@Beamdiddy in that instance if the officer believes there is something going on then by by all means he must act. I never said had to prove guilt to detain an individual. I am advocating not taking private property without a warrant or a judges permission after guilt was proved. You have strayed from the original intent of this conversation.
@Beamdiddy Yes I agree. somehow the conversation changed from property rights to this. I like being a nation of law not men.
@SSILENTNATION who is advocating killing cops?
@ericdahlen The comment above me left by Jeff000000 – it is pretty clear what he is trying to say – don’t pretend you don’t know it either.
@SSILENTNATION didn’t see that one sorry. I guess I would have to say if an officer is going beyond the law a citizen has every right to resist. I would have to say the majority of cases would not result in death but I do understand there will be times when it happens.I am not advocating it but I guess if it comes down to him or me and that’s the only option I would have to say I would do the same.Keep in mind this is very rare.I support cops most of the time but we both know there are bad ones.
@SSILENTNATION And killing a cop over a simple traffic stop is never right. Courts are there for that problem and you don’t need a lawyer.
@ericdahlen I agree – I am not so naive to think there aren’t bad apples in the bunch, just like any occupation I would suppose. I always support police; however, I too, am not immune to having been stopped by some real dickheads for sure. There is always room for improvement – but I also think taking an immediate adversarial position such as freestaters do when stopped just adds fuel to any ego’s fire.
@SSILENTNATION Yeah they or we can be very forward sometimes. But I can see how our government doesn’t listen to us and I think they are just trying to get the message across. It is a very hard time right now to figure out how to fix the problems we have right now. I really don’t think anybody knows exactly how to fix it yet. Close but not there yet.
“REAL AMERICAN HEROES”,,, “Mr… FUck you COPS I im going to film you!!!!!!”
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thanks to you sir we are able to see these videos on youtube and keep oursleves informed of the police state we live in and
are also able to sometimes identify these PIGS who enforce these thug lawz and have sold out their 0own people.
GODAMN MOTHERUCKING PIGS…..
Only in Weare haha i love this place
Wait… Am I missing something here? Where’s the video?
Where is the video? Is this fake?