@cypress8blade Using this information to blackmail any government is a act of terror, and yes some governments like the Bush administration are terrorists to, defiantly.
But can you tell me why the plebs need to know about what diplomats are talking about and how the government thinks about other nations, don’t you understand that now that this is out there finding solution for problems between nations on the diplomatic front is next to impossible? Why don’t you people get that?
GOD DAMNIT! Who gives a FUCK about Julian Assange and WikiLeaks?!? Is everybody living in fucking 1981?? YOU DON’T NEED WIKILEAKS OR THE NEW YORK FUCKING TIMES TO LEAK ANYTHING. They are just middle-men! If you have something to leak, walk into ANY coffee-shop in america and hand out DVDs with secret documents to all the bloggers you find. Say: “This will make your blog famous.” Walk-the-fuck-out into the sunset. DONE. You don’t need wikileaks! I feel like I’m taking crazy-pills!
@DutchPow3r If what they found out about us is that bad then WE obviously weren’t looking for peace anyway…… if the leaks revealed we wanted peace… How would the leak make it difficult… the Leaks are there to show the world that we are NOT looking for peace which in turn gets the people in america to fight for what WE want… this MIGHT give our rep a little harm but NOTHIGN compared to the harm we give ourselves with a 9 year war noone even knows why we’re fighting. Think in the long…
It appears that all the Hollywood movies which we always protested against for showing Arab and African leaders in stereotypical — actually more of out of 1001 Nights — characters have been written by US diplomats. I don’t think they will ever win Oscars, though…lol .Julian assange should be a free man & so as Manning
@sicklesickle – you’re probably in your 20’s… I hope you are. If you’re any older, you should be ashamed of yourself. You obviously don’t remember Nixon/Watergate or the Vietnam War/Pentagon Papers. Assange made it look easy, but it was very, very difficult and risky. He’s currently in prison and a target of many governments. Just watch the fallout.
@Anet99 I am very familiar with the events you speak of. The difference is that the internet has revolutionized the concept of “Publishing.” Anybody can publish anything, whereas in the past it would have been possible only through an established outlet. I present TYT as just one of a billion examples.
If you find yourself with documents that you wish to release to the world, leak them YOURSELF. Ashamed? For what? If Ellsberg had cable internet it would have been a million times easier to leak.
@sicklesickle Oh boy. People who have classified documents use WikiLeaks because they want to be anonymous. Only that private who leaked all the Iraq War documents is captured (CIA has probably already killed him).
It is just oh so convenient for the government that Julian Assange is now being prosecuted for rape. Oh they don’t care that this rape was under extremely shady circumstances where like he’s guilty even though it was consensual because the condom broke or some stupid shit like that. That is just oh so fortunate for the establishment. and oh btw also is S.O.P. for these thugs. If you can’t kill a threat, discredit them.
@4turrold5 Of course you support him without knowing the facts. The “stupid shit like that” was when he allegedly was told to stop because the condom had broken and he refused. The second case is when he agreed to wear a condom but secretly removed it. Those are both considered withdrawal of consent in Sweden which means he raped them.
@LocoGroove The internet allows anonymity. If done right, it’s difficult to trace anything back to you. Because Wikileaks is under intense scrutiny, it increases the odds that anonymity will be impossible, if you go through Assange. My point is that Assange is just a useless middle-man, like newspapers or television programs used to be gatekeepers to information. Leakers need only upload their files online to the right locations, anonymously, , and censorship will be impossible.
@sicklesickle I don’t feel like Wikileaks+Assange is useless. If you want to release thousands of documents, you probably need to show your identity to prove that those documents are the real thing and I’m pretty sure magazines would require identifying yourself.
@LocoGroove The only purpose any of these “Official” publishers serve is to vet that the leaker is who they say they are. But then, (to use the Afghan docs as an example), if the information is accurate it may stand up to scrutiny w/o the identification of the leaker. The point is that you do not have to PROVE anything to anyone, or ask permission to publish anything! BLOGS. Publishing is in the hands of EVERYBODY now. WikiLeaks is just one giant blog with a focus on leaks. Start your own!
@sicklesickle @ ur “GOD DAMNIT! Who gives a FUCK about Julian Assange and WikiLeaks?!? ” comment. Have u ever heard of an organisation called CIA and do u knw it might take em jus a week to find out who has leaked super sensitive information about the government. everything is traceable. thts y assange created tht program to keep the identity anonymous. Dnt forget he used 2 b a hacker like a big time hacker and has hacked nasa in the past for which he had 2 go 2 jail in melbourne australia.
You don’t need to show your identity when leaking documents to Wikileaks. All material sent to wikileaks is reviewed by staff experts employed at wikileaks. If the documents seem doctored or fake then it isn’t leaked.
One cruise missile through the french windows of that English mansion and Julian Assange is smoke. The Brits wouldn’t squeek because they’re too scared about their ‘special relationship’ with us. But we won’t do it, why… because our military are full of gays.
Who do you think the SWISS Bankers work for-The New World Order thats who-This is a Threat against careers Politicians-“Better Not Repeal Obama Care & RFID Devil Chip for all Americans.” We will never see these swiss acct names-Obama used this tactic before sueing UBC when he first came to office-we saw no Names released(only 2 businessmen were prosecuted.) But all Congress got arm twisted(swiss bank twisted) to make Obama care law!
@cypress8blade Using this information to blackmail any government is a act of terror, and yes some governments like the Bush administration are terrorists to, defiantly.
But can you tell me why the plebs need to know about what diplomats are talking about and how the government thinks about other nations, don’t you understand that now that this is out there finding solution for problems between nations on the diplomatic front is next to impossible? Why don’t you people get that?
HELP THE WIKILEAKS TEAM…only they can tell the truth in your Countrys no other Presidents
I am Julian Assange! You are Julian Assange! We are Julian Assange!
All of us!
GOD DAMNIT! Who gives a FUCK about Julian Assange and WikiLeaks?!? Is everybody living in fucking 1981?? YOU DON’T NEED WIKILEAKS OR THE NEW YORK FUCKING TIMES TO LEAK ANYTHING. They are just middle-men! If you have something to leak, walk into ANY coffee-shop in america and hand out DVDs with secret documents to all the bloggers you find. Say: “This will make your blog famous.” Walk-the-fuck-out into the sunset. DONE. You don’t need wikileaks! I feel like I’m taking crazy-pills!
IGNORANCE! >:E
@DutchPow3r If what they found out about us is that bad then WE obviously weren’t looking for peace anyway…… if the leaks revealed we wanted peace… How would the leak make it difficult… the Leaks are there to show the world that we are NOT looking for peace which in turn gets the people in america to fight for what WE want… this MIGHT give our rep a little harm but NOTHIGN compared to the harm we give ourselves with a 9 year war noone even knows why we’re fighting. Think in the long…
It appears that all the Hollywood movies which we always protested against for showing Arab and African leaders in stereotypical — actually more of out of 1001 Nights — characters have been written by US diplomats. I don’t think they will ever win Oscars, though…lol .Julian assange should be a free man & so as Manning
@sicklesickle – you’re probably in your 20’s… I hope you are. If you’re any older, you should be ashamed of yourself. You obviously don’t remember Nixon/Watergate or the Vietnam War/Pentagon Papers. Assange made it look easy, but it was very, very difficult and risky. He’s currently in prison and a target of many governments. Just watch the fallout.
@Anet99 I am very familiar with the events you speak of. The difference is that the internet has revolutionized the concept of “Publishing.” Anybody can publish anything, whereas in the past it would have been possible only through an established outlet. I present TYT as just one of a billion examples.
If you find yourself with documents that you wish to release to the world, leak them YOURSELF. Ashamed? For what? If Ellsberg had cable internet it would have been a million times easier to leak.
Not try to be an asshole but it’s əˈsÉ‘ËnÊ’ not aˈsÉ‘Ëng
@sicklesickle Oh boy. People who have classified documents use WikiLeaks because they want to be anonymous. Only that private who leaked all the Iraq War documents is captured (CIA has probably already killed him).
It is just oh so convenient for the government that Julian Assange is now being prosecuted for rape. Oh they don’t care that this rape was under extremely shady circumstances where like he’s guilty even though it was consensual because the condom broke or some stupid shit like that. That is just oh so fortunate for the establishment. and oh btw also is S.O.P. for these thugs. If you can’t kill a threat, discredit them.
@4turrold5 Of course you support him without knowing the facts. The “stupid shit like that” was when he allegedly was told to stop because the condom had broken and he refused. The second case is when he agreed to wear a condom but secretly removed it. Those are both considered withdrawal of consent in Sweden which means he raped them.
None of the people Stenky named are journalists. Don’t let that stop you from saying it though Stenky.
@LocoGroove The internet allows anonymity. If done right, it’s difficult to trace anything back to you. Because Wikileaks is under intense scrutiny, it increases the odds that anonymity will be impossible, if you go through Assange. My point is that Assange is just a useless middle-man, like newspapers or television programs used to be gatekeepers to information. Leakers need only upload their files online to the right locations, anonymously, , and censorship will be impossible.
@sicklesickle I don’t feel like Wikileaks+Assange is useless. If you want to release thousands of documents, you probably need to show your identity to prove that those documents are the real thing and I’m pretty sure magazines would require identifying yourself.
@LocoGroove The only purpose any of these “Official” publishers serve is to vet that the leaker is who they say they are. But then, (to use the Afghan docs as an example), if the information is accurate it may stand up to scrutiny w/o the identification of the leaker. The point is that you do not have to PROVE anything to anyone, or ask permission to publish anything! BLOGS. Publishing is in the hands of EVERYBODY now. WikiLeaks is just one giant blog with a focus on leaks. Start your own!
@sicklesickle Nope, I don’t want to go to show trials. That’s why I admire Assange’s bravery…but you definitely have a good point.
@sicklesickle @ ur “GOD DAMNIT! Who gives a FUCK about Julian Assange and WikiLeaks?!? ” comment. Have u ever heard of an organisation called CIA and do u knw it might take em jus a week to find out who has leaked super sensitive information about the government. everything is traceable. thts y assange created tht program to keep the identity anonymous. Dnt forget he used 2 b a hacker like a big time hacker and has hacked nasa in the past for which he had 2 go 2 jail in melbourne australia.
@ThePsydome
The sad thing is that we elected those selfish corrupt assholes who are opposing this justice now.
@LocoGroove
You don’t need to show your identity when leaking documents to Wikileaks. All material sent to wikileaks is reviewed by staff experts employed at wikileaks. If the documents seem doctored or fake then it isn’t leaked.
@rencrow That wasn’t the point, I meant that you can’t send some random shit to magazines without identifying yourself. I didn’t mean WikiLeaks
Motivation looking for TRUTH ! Long live Julian Assange, WikiLeaks.
One cruise missile through the french windows of that English mansion and Julian Assange is smoke. The Brits wouldn’t squeek because they’re too scared about their ‘special relationship’ with us. But we won’t do it, why… because our military are full of gays.
Who do you think the SWISS Bankers work for-The New World Order thats who-This is a Threat against careers Politicians-“Better Not Repeal Obama Care & RFID Devil Chip for all Americans.” We will never see these swiss acct names-Obama used this tactic before sueing UBC when he first came to office-we saw no Names released(only 2 businessmen were prosecuted.) But all Congress got arm twisted(swiss bank twisted) to make Obama care law!
@Villainoevsky RIGHT ON!