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@Knightinsf dude, I’ve already said that I don’t smoke, often, that I did it in the video for ‘effect’, which I now realize is kinda dumb, but whatever. I’m not asking for anyone to take me seriously, and again, whether or not I smoke means NOTHING.
Do you eat meat? Processed foods? Dairy? Those things cause more cancer and death than tobacco. If so, then you just proved you don’t give a shit about yourself. and therefore everything you say is wrong? I’m still struggling with the logic here.
@saydaysago2008 I’m a vegetarian, limited dairy. Poor diet has eclipsed smoking as a major killer. I don’t care as much as I should about my body but then, I’m not cutting into a steak “for effect” before presenting valid and critical points to the world. Glad to hear you are still struggling with the logic. That means the synapses are still firing and you are still engaged. I’m not looking to criticize you as a person but I am very put off by the lack of judgment you exercised.
@Knightinsf so you are saying that my lapse in judgement, my decision to record some video of myself smoking, and include it in what is essentially a personal statement about fear (yes, I see the irony), is such a horrendous lapse in judgement that you were left doubting whether my synapses were still firing? it put you off enough to comment that it “pretty much invalidates anything that comes next”?
you still haven’t explained how one bad decision invalidates my message totally.
@saydaysago2008 And regrettably, no further elucidation will be forthcoming. You are addicted to the debate (aka responding to trolls). I’m only interested in the message, which was cluttered, for style or some reason that eludes me. You are speaking to a broad audience about a very important topic. To that extent and my final comment on the matter is to make fewer excuses or even amends for the artistic decision that warranted this thread or step up your game to enhance your legitimacy. C ya.
@Knightinsf
people asked why the smoking was in there, i explained my flawed reasoning. i wasn’t trying to excuse it.
and yeah, i do get addicted to these little debates, another one of my flaws that I’ve already pointed out.
the main reason, this time around, for continuing to respond (as I often don’t), was that I was hoping for some insight into how you justify condemning my message based on my smoking.
i’m a hypocrite, in more ways than one. he who is without sin cast the first stone.
@saydaysago2008 OK, just for the record, no harm, no foul. I think the messages about desire vs. fear (what ultimately is delineated by us as the more quaint notions of “love and hate”) are very VERY important. It is a distinction I believe so powerful as to trigger a massive breakthrough and facilitate an awakening process. In the pure realm of desire and fear, there is no right or wrong, just being. Often, the image IS the message and people rarely delve deeper into more subtlety. (see part 2)
@saydaysago2008 (part 2) …so, the first image is essentially “Joe Cool” lighting up. OK, no fear. I got it. We shortern our lives in lots of ways. But, that action–for me–because of my filter, because of the tragedies in my personal past–shows up as acquiescence to slavery and tho’ you may not be “terrified”, you would still–in my perception–be a willing slave. Slave to addiction, to a multi-national and very nefarious industry and to an indulgence that plunders and pollutes.
@Knightinsf thanks. that’s all i was looking for. an explanation rather than an outright dismissal. because that’s all i was trying to do, explain why i did what i did, not excuse it or somehow justify it.
Most post people were able to look past, or not think about the fact that I was smoking, and all that entails (you’re whole post is completely true), but a few people weren’t, and I am actually glad we kept the conversation up…I feel a lot better about it now, us understanding each other
@saydaysago2008 I’m very pleased that we came to an understanding (so hard to do in the rather benign environment of text only where inflection and empathy don’t really factor in and thanks for pressing the issue to a satisfactory resolution. There is only desire and fear. Awareness of one’s actions based upon that duality can make a huge difference in how one directs one’s life. Live long and be well.
If you want real change based on empiricism, read practical anarchy by Stephan Molyneux, free online.
TVP, and its Zeitgeist movement are doing a great job at exposing the sickness of our world, but their solution cannot work because people don’t like living under centrally controlled environments.
Money will always exist, anything you can trade is it. TVP can’t give us everything so it’s insane to say we can get rid of money, it just represents the value of your item. It’s not the problem
@GtheMVP ‘If you want real change based on empiricism, read practical anarchy by Stephan Molyneux, free online.’
thanks! i shall. i’ve been gaining a lot of interest in anarchist philosophy lately. i see tvp and tzm as essentially anarchist in their operation anyway, since their is no system of authority outside of the physical laws of nature.
‘TVP, and its Zeitgeist movement are doing a great job at exposing the sickness of our world,’
thanks.
@GtheMVP ‘but their solution cannot work because people don’t like living under centrally controlled environments.’
it’s not really a centrally controlled environment, that’s an over-simplification of what we advocate. we simply acknowledge that our planet is finite, and that we cannot continue on an infinite growth paradigm, hence, we basically advocate ‘off the grid’ cities that are as self-sufficient as possible, and then networking these cities for ease of resource sharing. (cont’d)
@GtheMVP (cont’d) and distribution, to eliminate overruns and shortages. so it is more of a global network of independant city-environments. there is no central command center or unit that decides people’s lives for them. it’s basically a glorified calculator for us to track resources without the need for money.
‘Money will always exist,’
that’s strange, it didn’t always exist in the past, why assume it will continue to exist forever?
@GtheMVP ‘anything you can trade is it.’
while people may still carry and trade small personal items, trade would basically be unnecessary in a rbe, as it is a system based on universal access.
@GtheMVP ‘TVP can’t give us everything so it’s insane to say we can get rid of money’
‘everything’? no, we can’t do that. all of our core human life needs (from food and shelter to education and recreation? yes, we can provide that. you don’t need to give people EVERYTHING to get rid of money. people don’t want everything, they jsut want what they need when they need it.
@GtheMVP ‘it just represents the value of your item.’
the problem is that money has become decoupled from any true physical item-value. of course, we could correct this, and only print money in proportion to the amount of goods and services available, but this would not solve the problems of differential advantage, inequality, and all the social, mental, and physical health risks associated with inequality. those can only be eliminated by ridding ourselves of the market system.
@GtheMVP It’s not the problem’
money? no, money is something we made up. the problem is our FAITH in money-value overriding our very real life-needs in almost all sectors of the world.
@saydaysago2008 Once someone had something someone else didn’t have, it became money.
We can never go back to that simplistic time period
@saydaysago2008 Universal what? People can’t have access to everything, thast’s the communist promise. A RBE is learning to live without, and I don’t want to wait in line for stuff I’d like to have access to
What you’re advocating has never been proven, and as a movement that constantly cites the scientific method, it’s centrally based on unproven ideas.
You need to prove something, a model city perhaps, proof? Stop talking talking out of your collective behinds.
@saydaysago2008 Money, like a gun, is not the problem, people are the problem. Poverty was on the decline in the US, steadily, until the government introduced the welfare program, now we have a class stuck in a rut of government dependance.
The free market system is the only proven path to prosperity, your RBE is based on zero evidence, it’s nothing but a technocracy without scientitsts running the show. Jaques is still a technocrat at heart.
@GtheMVP ‘Once someone had something someone else didn’t have, it became money.
We can never go back to that simplistic time period’
Nor do I suggest it. I suggest strategic resource and good access to eliminate the situation of anyone ever having more access to goods than anyone else. the psychological benefits of this alone on society would be staggering.
@GtheMVP ‘Universal what? People can’t have access to everything, thast’s the communist promise. A RBE is learning to live without, and I don’t want to wait in line for stuff I’d like to have access to’
Again, resources and technology on this planet is so amazing, so plentiful, that only the rarest of goods would you have to ‘wait in line for’. Name me one basic need or even ‘western world’ want that couldn’t easily be provided to every person on the planet today using strategic production.
@GtheMVP ‘What you’re advocating has never been proven, and as a movement that constantly cites the scientific method, it’s centrally based on unproven ideas.’
It is based on an empirical train of thought. No, the ideas haven’t been tested. That is exactly what we are advocating. Putting these (and every other) idea to the TEST. Using science to figure out what actually works best. If we are wrong about 80% of what we say, we can re-orient in the direction that science takes us.
@GtheMVP You need to prove somthing, a model city perhaps, proof? Stop talking out your collective behinds’
I agree with you, and trust me, as soon as it’s possible, we will be building a research facility/test city. Hoever, we are not talking out our behinds. Your just being insulting for the sake of it. As I said, all of our exrapolations are based on currently available technology and scientific data. Yes, they need to be tested, but it’s far from ass-talking.
@saydaysago2008 It is ass talking because there’s zero proof we can,or would want to live like that. The technology does not exist, though it will if we want it, but will people work towards it without the profit incentive?
Anyways, you are right about one thing, and that this movement is voluntary, and I am 100% for peaceful volunteerism. If a bunch of people want to shoot for a RBE, have at her, just expect that people won’t.
Big release tonight, looking forward to seeing it!