Discuss this video without the 500 character limit at dlandoncole.com Some interesting videos on this include Steve Coogan versus Paul McMullan on Newsnight: www.youtube.com Hugh Grant versus John Gaunt on Question Time: www.youtube.com Tom Watson MP in the Commons: www.youtube.com Chris Bryant MP in the Commons: www.youtube.com The Guardian has been making the running on this one; all of its stories are at www.guardian.co.uk and some of the choicer ones that I’ve used in this video are at www.guardian.co.uk www.guardian.co.uk www.guardian.co.uk www.guardian.co.uk www.guardian.co.uk www.guardian.co.uk The News of the World’s leader that I mentioned: www.newsoftheworld.co.uk Timeline at Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org Also from Wikipedia, background to Operations Weeting and Elveden (phone-hacking and police corruption respectively): en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org The Metropolitan Police Commissioner’s statement: content.met.police.uk More information on Milly Dowler: en.wikipedia.org More information on the Hillsborough Disaster and particularly the Sun’s commentary: en.wikipedia.org The quote at the beginning is from Sir Walter Scott’s Marmion, VI 17: “Oh what a tangled web we weave/when at first we practise to deceive!” The quote at the end is from Julius Caesar, I ii: “The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves, that we are underlings”
@DLandonCole I’ll look forward to seeing it, but I believe that the state is the epitome of a ponzi scheme. It’s fine when debt is under control. But as debt mounts and the state grows larger it becomes impossible to avoid crippling austerity and diminishment of liberty.
What is in the public interest is different from what the public find interesting, unfortunately.
@DLandonCole Former GCHQ operatives gone freelance. A marketable skill to supplement the poor pension. Something that will likely become more common place as time goes on. The telecom companies cannot get their licence without leaving a side door open. The only encryptions permitted are those for which the key has already been divulged to the proper departments.
@DLandonCole John
@DLandonCole I can see you concern, But if said regulation only affects the tabloid media and prevent them from doing the same thing again.
Wouldn’t be that a good thing ?.
@USERNAMEfieldempty Very true.
@FantasmaBAnco Unfortunately not. Libel laws in this country are a mess and end up stifling free speech. If you want an example (that ended up, after three years, going the right way because of Simon’s incredible guts) see the case of Singh vs BCA.
@LatumWay It irks me because they can slag off unions and collective bargaining and defending workers’ rights until it affects them, when suddenly the Sun is taking sympathetic action.
Regarding No Logo, I was referring to people being fired and then hired again at a lower salary in their former job.
@bloodangel13 Yes, but how do we define what tabloid media is? Sometimes the tabloids do good journalism and sometimes the broadsheets do bad journalism.
@DLandonCole I see your point, But what guarantee that this won’t happen again ?.
I wonder how all this will affect the Internet. We all know that governments want to get their grubby hands on it.
@DLandonCole -indeed some pretty flowers emerge from shit, but still in the main i stick to my statement.
@DLandonCole Oh yeah I remember reading that part.
You don’t want legislation but you want change ….
Do you expect Joe Public to suddenly get smarter, more aware, more concerned with the lamentable standard of journalism, policing and politics that this whole sorry affair has briefly thrust into the nation’s consciousness. Good luck with that one.
@Artifactorfiction No, I don’t. I’m quite pessimistic.
@DLandonCole Still…..there seems no end to this clutch of related stories…..I hear that in US law CEO’s can be held accountable for paying bribes in other countries, also the spotlight flits around other (red top and non red top) publications, and the markets are nervous, and B Sky B deal effectively on hold….What will tomorrow bring ?
Where are all those Wikileaks fans now?
Shouldn’t they be out on the streets protecting the media’s right to hack phones?
After all, if people don’t have anything to hide, why are they all complaining about the media having access to tap in? Just put everything out on the table, and let us come to a decision on our own.
DLondonCole: Knowing your standpoint on Wikileaks, I’d like to see a video on where you see both these issues meeting.
@cartbeforehorse I’m not a ‘fan’ of Wikileaks (although I do think they’ve done some good things), but there’s no evidence that they’ve hacked anything. I know the ‘anonymous’ lot did & Wikileaks refused to condemn them, but that’s not quite the same thing. Another important difference is context.. hypothetically speaking, wouldn’t it be different for someone to hack phones to uncover the motivation behind an illegal war than for someone to listen in to grieving relatives?
@bimblinghill
Of course there are distinctions if you pick specific examples. You could just as easily place a distinction between Hugh Grant and Milly Dowler. But that’s not my point.
My point is merely to ask the same questions now as I did back then: How much are we really entitled to know before other considerations become of greater concern?
Many of the of the arguments I heard to defend Wikileaks back then, could just as easily be applied to Milly Dowler’s case now. That is my concern.
@cartbeforehorse You’re right to point out that there’s a large grey area here, in which considerations must be made for public interest, security, legality, privacy & so on. I also agree that many of the supporters of Wikileaks went way over the top in attempting to argue that anything & everything should be out in public. However, I do think that even Wikileaks’ most ardent fans would have deserted them pretty quick if they’d pulled a stunt like the Milly Dowler hacking. There is a difference.
Well said!!!
@umarglobal Thankyou!
@cartbeforehorse That video is now up :)
@Artifactorfiction Things keep happening. I wouldn’t want to venture any opinion…
@DLandonCole I’ll read that ellipsis as a rye smile :-)